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|François la Flamme
|2002.07
|The submitter requested authenticity for 12th C English. The byname ''Ravenskeep'' was undocumented in the LoI except for noting its registration as a household name, which the submitter cannot claim under the Grandfather Clause. The element ''-keep'' was upheld as SCA compatible in the LoAR of November 2001:
* ''Keep'' has long been used as part of SCA branch names. The most recent registration is ''Crossrode Keep, Shire of'' (registered November 1999 via Ansteorra). This element is effectively regarded as SCA compatible as an element in an English place name. Given the forms in which it has been registered, spellings of the element ''Keep'' are registerable both as a separate element (such as ''Crossrode Keep''), and as the final element in a compound place name (such as ''Northkeep''). [Tristan Ravencrest, Æthelmearc-A, LoAR 11/2001]The College found evidence of English placenames that include ''Ravens-'' as a protheme, making ''Ravenkeep'' a registerable placename, with one weirdness for use of an SCA compatible element (''-keep''). [Michael of Ravenskeep, 07/2002, A-Outlands]
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|François la Flamme
|2001.11
|[''crest and keep''] The element ''crest'' falls into the same category as ''keep''. In both cases, we do not have evidence of that element used in a formal place name in period, though we have evidence of each as a geographical element. Bardsley (p. 216 s.n. Crest) dates both ''Rogerus del Crest''and ''Johannes del Crest'' to 1379. Bardsley (p. 441 s.n. Keep) dates ''William atte Kep'' to 18 Edw. I, ''Roger Kep'' to I Edw. III, and ''Richard atte Kippe''to I Edw. III. Reaney & Wilson (p. 261 s.n. Keep) dates Thomas ate Kepe to 1327 and Roger de Kepe to 1332.
''Keep'' has long been used as part of SCA branch names. The most recent registration is ''Crossrode Keep, Shire of'' (registered November 1999 via Ansteorra). This element is effectively regarded as SCA compatible as an element in an English place name. Given the forms in which it has been registered, spellings of the element ''Keep'' are registerable both as a separate element (such as ''Crossrode Keep''), and as the final element in a compound place name (such as ''Northkeep''). Registerable spellings include ''Keep'' and any alternate spellings which may be documented to period (including those listed above).
Similarly, there has been enough interest in the element ''crest'', including as recently as 1999, to rule it SCA compatible in an English place name. Unlike ''keep'', ''crest'' is not registerable as a separate element. So, ''Ravencrest'' is a registerable placename, though ''Ravenwood Crest'', for example, is not. ['''Tristan Ravencrest''', [http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2001/11/01-11lar.html 11/01], A-Æthelmearc]
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|Jaelle of Armida
|1997.07
|[registering Sylvana Evelune de Aneslea] Submitted as Sylvana Evangeline of Ansley Keep, [...] There is no evidence for keep in period place­names; we have changed the place name to the closest period form. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR July 1997, p. 7)
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François la Flamme 2002.07 The submitter requested authenticity for 12th C English. The byname Ravenskeep was undocumented in the LoI except for noting its registration as a household name, which the submitter cannot claim under the Grandfather Clause. The element -keep was upheld as SCA compatible in the LoAR of November 2001:
  • Keep has long been used as part of SCA branch names. The most recent registration is Crossrode Keep, Shire of (registered November 1999 via Ansteorra). This element is effectively regarded as SCA compatible as an element in an English place name. Given the forms in which it has been registered, spellings of the element Keep are registerable both as a separate element (such as Crossrode Keep), and as the final element in a compound place name (such as Northkeep). [Tristan Ravencrest, Æthelmearc-A, LoAR 11/2001]The College found evidence of English placenames that include Ravens- as a protheme, making Ravenkeep a registerable placename, with one weirdness for use of an SCA compatible element (-keep). [Michael of Ravenskeep, 07/2002, A-Outlands]
François la Flamme 2001.11 [crest and keep] The element crest falls into the same category as keep. In both cases, we do not have evidence of that element used in a formal place name in period, though we have evidence of each as a geographical element. Bardsley (p. 216 s.n. Crest) dates both Rogerus del Crestand Johannes del Crest to 1379. Bardsley (p. 441 s.n. Keep) dates William atte Kep to 18 Edw. I, Roger Kep to I Edw. III, and Richard atte Kippeto I Edw. III. Reaney & Wilson (p. 261 s.n. Keep) dates Thomas ate Kepe to 1327 and Roger de Kepe to 1332.

Keep has long been used as part of SCA branch names. The most recent registration is Crossrode Keep, Shire of (registered November 1999 via Ansteorra). This element is effectively regarded as SCA compatible as an element in an English place name. Given the forms in which it has been registered, spellings of the element Keep are registerable both as a separate element (such as Crossrode Keep), and as the final element in a compound place name (such as Northkeep). Registerable spellings include Keep and any alternate spellings which may be documented to period (including those listed above).

Similarly, there has been enough interest in the element crest, including as recently as 1999, to rule it SCA compatible in an English place name. Unlike keepcrest is not registerable as a separate element. So, Ravencrest is a registerable placename, though Ravenwood Crest, for example, is not. [Tristan Ravencrest11/01, A-Æthelmearc]

Jaelle of Armida 1997.07 [registering Sylvana Evelune de Aneslea] Submitted as Sylvana Evangeline of Ansley Keep, [...] There is no evidence for keep in period place­names; we have changed the place name to the closest period form. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR July 1997, p. 7)